Kevin Youkilis joins a long line of Red Sox heroes who’ve become Yankees

12 02 2013

Youk!

Yes, if pitchers and catchers have reported, it won’t be long before we’ll see Kevin Youkilis in pinstripes and Yankee fans will be cheering (again) this year for an old Red Sox fan favorite. Youk signed a one-year deal to play for the Yankees, probably playing third base while Alex Rodriguez rehabs from surgery (and longer, if the Yankees can unload A-Rod or get out of his contract).

It will be difficult for Red Sox fans to see Youkilis in pinstripes, and no doubt the cheers at Fenway will really be “Booo!” and not “Youk!” now. But Red Sox fans have become used to seeing old favorites playing for the Yankees (and vice versa).

In baseball’s most storied rivalry, lots of players, including some all-time greats, have gone over to the Dark Side, whichever side you consider to be dark. You probably could find similar connections between any pair of longtime teams, but the players who have played on both sides of this rivalry stand out somehow.

You could put together a pretty good team of players who’ve worked both sides of the rivalry, so I have.

Here’s how I picked players for this team: The most important consideration would be the role in the Yankees-Red Sox rivalry (for instance, if Bucky Dent had played for the Red Sox even one game, he would be the shortstop even if Derek Jeter had played a lot for both teams because he’s Bucky Fucking Dent). The second consideration would be someone who played a significant role with each team (could be a short but important role or several starting seasons). For instance, Derek Jeter is clearly a better shortstop than Nomar Garciaparra, but if Jeter had played just a few games with the Red Sox but Garciaparra played three or four good seasons for the Yankees, I’d go with Nomar. A third consideration would be whether someone is an iconic player (so Jeter would get the nod if someone didn’t meet the conditions described above, if he’d played some for the Red Sox). The fourth consideration would be overall greatness, including seasons with other teams. So, for instance, if Cal Ripken Jr. had split his last season between the two teams, not playing that well, he would be the shortstop over someone who played longer but unremarkably for both teams. Of course, none of those guys played for both teams and shortstop is one of the weakest position on the team.

So here is the all-time Yankees and Red Sox team — weak in the middle infield, but loaded with four Hall of Famers, three other MVPs and two Cy Young winners:

Catcher, Elston Howard

Howard is known best as a Yankee, the guy who finally eased aside Yogi Berra. He was a nine-time All-Star, two-time Gold Glover and the 1963 MVP. After hitting five homers in eight World Series with the Yankees, Howard was traded to the Red Sox in 1967 for Pete Magrini and Ron Klimkowski, pitchers who combined for eight career wins. At age 38, Howard’s hitting had declined, but the Red Sox were weak at catcher and he started down the stretch and played all seven World Series games, getting just two hits. He retired after playing just 71 games the next year.

Elston Howard concluded a string of catching greatness that no other team has ever approached. From 1929 to 1946 (with a two-year break in World War II), Hall of Famer Bill Dickey caught for the Yankees. Then Yogi Berra was the catcher from 1947 until he and Howard started sharing the job in the late 1950s. Then Howard held the job into the 1967 season. That’s nearly 40 years with two Hall of Famers and an MVP as the primary catchers. The only other team with two Hall of Fame catchers for a long stretch were the Reds, and Johnny Bench and Ernie Lombardi played more than a quarter-century apart.

First base, Kevin Youkilis

Youk was a highly overrated player, but Red Sox fans loved him. Recognizing him as an underperformer was about the only thing Bobby Valentine got right. He never hit 30 homers, drove in 100 runs only once (hitting in the middle of an amazing lineup), only topped .300 once in a great hitters’ park and didn’t walk enough to inflate his offensive prowess.

He did have an outstanding year in 2008 and rode the hype from media and Red Sox fans to a third place finish in the MVP voting that year. But an accurate description of his years with the Red Sox would be that he was a pretty good player whose performance declined markedly after age 30. Baseball-Reference.com calls Trot Nixon the most similar player. But I think Youk ranks a few notches higher in love from Red Sox fans.

The Yankees will be lucky to get good performance from him. I’d probably put George Scott at this position except that Youk’s signing prompted this whole post anyway.

Second base, Mark Bellhorn

When I was running through the second basemen in my memory, and unable to come up with any, I was thinking I’d put Dustin Pedroia here, and say that if the Red Sox would part with Youk, Pedroia wouldn’t be far behind. But then I found Bellhorn, who had his second-best season for the 2004 Red Sox (a Red Sox squad fans of both teams will remember well), with 17 homers and 82 RBI in 138 games. He was released by the Red Sox in August 2005, signed with the Yankees and played only nine games. Do you remember a better second baseman who played for both teams?

Shortstop, Everett Scott

I looked long and hard for a brief cameo for the other side by Rico Petrocelli or Frank Crosetti or Vern Stephens (and a lot of other shortstops), hoping to strengthen this position. I’m not sure which position is weaker, this one or second base. Scott never had a year to compare with Bellhorn in 2004, but he was with the 1918 world champion Red Sox, so I guess I like that the middle infielders bracket the Curse of the Bambino years. He must have been good in the field, because he started eight years at shortstop for the Red Sox and three years for the Yankees with just a .249 career average.

Third base, Wade Boggs

Boggs played his best years for the Red Sox, but won his World Series ring with the Yankees. He won five batting titles (all in Boston, where the park is made for batting titles). His most amazing baseball feat to me was four straight years with 200 or more hits and 100-plus walks. His on-base percentage didn’t drop below .400 until his ninth year.

He didn’t have any power, but in 1987, when the ball was juiced, he hit 24 homers and his OPS was actually above 1.000.

When he finally won a World Series with the Yankees in 1996, his joy was fun to watch, including his ride on a police horse, maybe the most-used image of Boggs.

I have no idea whether his legendary appetite for fried chicken and beer was exaggerated, but he’s as known for that as for his hitting. The Red Sox are stupid not to retire his number 26. They should do that this year.

Left field, Johnny Damon

I’m pretty sure Damon is the only modern player who won World Series for both teams (Babe Ruth, Wally Schang, Carl Mays and Bullet Joe Bush all played for the Yankees in the 1920s after winning with the Red Sox in 1918).

I presume Damon’s finished up now, after a mediocre showing for the Indians last year. With 2,769 hits, I’m sure he wanted to hang on long enough to reach 3,000, which is probably what it would take for him to make the Hall of Fame. With 152 hits for the Rays in 2011, he appeared to have a good shot. But after 46 hits last year, I can’t see it happening.

He was never a great player, but was a good one for a long time. Best year was probably 2000 when he hit .327 for the Royals and led the American League with 46 steals and 136 runs.

Damon didn’t quite play for everyone in the American League, but he tried: A’s and Tigers in addition to the others I mentioned, seven in all. He probably showed the greatest contrast between the no-rules hairstyles of the Red Sox and the Yankees’ clean-cut dress code. Certainly the best book title of anyone on this team: Idiot.

Center field, Jackie Jensen

Jensen played part-time for the Yankees in 1950 and ’51, before being traded to the Washington Senators in 1952. After two years with the Senators, Jensen became a star with the Red Sox, winning the 1958 MVP award and leading the league in RBI in 1955, ’58 and ’59.

He retired abruptly in the 1959 off-season, citing his fear of flying and the long absences from his family. He returned for the 1961 season, but retired permanently after a mediocre year.

Jensen was the first person to play in the Rose Bowl, the World Series and the All-Star Game (he rushed for 1,000 yards for Cal and was fourth in the Heisman Trophy voting as a junior in 1948).

Right field, Babe Ruth

Over the years, a handful of hitters have surpassed Ruth’s hitting records or joined him in the conversation about who is baseball’s greatest slugger or hitter: Roger Maris, Hank Aaron, Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Mark McGwire, Sammy Sosa, Barry Bonds. But Ruth still stands alone as the greatest baseball player ever. No one in the history of baseball had a career anywhere approaching the Babe’s. No pitcher who could hit even approached Ruth’s hitting prowess. Of the hitters who pitched for a while, only a couple approached Ruth’s achievements as a Red Sox pitcher, which included two 20-win seasons and leading the American League in ERA and complete games. And neither of those approached his hitting prowess. As an all-time great hitter who was one of the best pitchers of his time, Ruth stands alone.

And, though you probably don’t think of him as athletic because of his portly physique, he stole home 10 times (more often than Rickey Henderson).

He is perfect for this team, because he switched from pitching to hitting full-time when the Red Sox sold him to the Yankees and because that launched the Yankee dynasty. And because of the Curse of the Bambino.

Designated hitter, Don Baylor

Baylor, like Damon, played for a bunch of American League teams (Orioles, A’s, Angels, Yankees, Red Sox, Twins) without ever playing in the National League. He won the MVP as an Angel in 1979. I saw him hit grand-slams twice for the Yankees: once in extra innings against the White Sox in old Comiskey Park (I called that one) and once in Royals Stadium.

Starting pitcher, Roger Clemens

He may be the player on this team who is most hated by fans of both teams. And if he’s not the greatest pitcher ever, he’s the greatest widely disliked pitcher ever (Bonds perhaps rivaling him as a despised player, but at least Giants fans still love Bonds, I think (and maybe even Pirates fans).

He won seven Cy Youngs for four teams in two leagues (and finished second once and third twice). He led his league in ERA seven times, in wins four times, in strikeouts five times and in shutouts six times. He had 354 wins, six 20-win seasons (and four more 18-win seasons). In 24 seasons, he reached double figures in losses only seven times (Hall of Famer Bert Blyleven did that 17 times).

He has a reputation for choking in October, but he was 12-8 in the post-season and 3-0 in the World Series. In the most famous post-season game he played, Game Six of the 1986 World Series, he took the mound with a chance to close out the series and gave up four hits, two walks and one earned run in seven innings. He left for a pinch-hitter in the eighth inning with a 3-2 lead. If Calvin Schiraldi could have held a lead in the eighth or if Schiraldi and Bob Stanley could have held a lead in the 10th, Clemens would have been a World Series hero. Instead, he had to endure a can’t-win-in-October rap and wait until 1999 to win his first World Series game and championship.

I don’t know what to think about Roger Clemens and performance-enhancing drugs. His primary accuser, Brian McNamee, was clearly never a credible witness, and a jury quickly acquitted Clemens of all counts of perjury. I know juries make mistakes (O.J. Simpson comes to mind), but I also believe in the principle that you’re innocent until proven guilty. Andy Pettitte‘s initial statement about his friend did sound credible, even though he said at trial that he might have misunderstood. Of the Hall of Fame contenders under drug suspicion, I tend to think Clemens should go into the Hall of Fame first, but I won’t be outraged if he has to wait a while.

This pitching staff has to start with Clemens, though.

Starting pitcher, Red Ruffing

Ruffing was a two-time 20-game loser for the Red Sox, then a four-time 20-game winner for the Yankee dynasty that won four World Series from 1936 to 1939. That may be the starkest contrast between performance for the two teams of anyone who played full-time for both for multiple years.

He’s a Hall of Famer who had a 7-2 record in the World Series, completing eight of the 10 games he started.

Starting pitcher, Mike Torrez

Several pitchers who played for both teams played better and longer for either or both teams than Torrez. But Torrez simply has to be in this rotation. He was the guy who won two World Series games for the Yankees one year and then served up the Bucky Dent home run the next year.

Torrez, who played for the Cardinals, Expos, Orioles, A’s, Yankees, Red Sox, Mets and A’s again, might have had more great teammates than anyone in history. Here are the Hall of Famers he played with: Orlando Cepeda, Lou Brock, Bob Gibson, Steve Carlton, Gary Carter, Brooks Robinson, Jim Palmer, Billy Williams, Willie McCovey, Rollie Fingers, Reggie Jackson, Catfish Hunter, Carlton Fisk, Jim Rice, Carl Yaztrzemski, Dennis Eckersley, Tony Perez, Wade Boggs, Tom Seaver, Joe Morgan, Rickey Henderson. Maybe some players from the 1920s and ’30s, when nearly every good player got into the Hall of Fame, played with 21 Hall of Famers, but if that’s not a record, I bet it’s close. And it will grow as some of the players below get into Cooperstown. Shortstop is the only position where he didn’t have a Hall of Fame teammate.

Torrez also played with these MVP’s who didn’t make the Hall of Fame: Roger Maris, Joe Torre, Dick Allen, Don Baylor, Vida Blue, Thurman Munson, Fred Lynn, Keith Hernandez, George Foster, Kevin Mitchell, Jeff Burroughs.

And these Cy Young winners: Mike Marshall, Mike Flanagan, Mike Cuellar, Sparky Lyle, Ron Guidry.

And these season home run kings: Graig Nettles, Dave Kingman, Dwight Evans, George Scott, Darryl Strawberry.

And these batting champions: Matty Alou, Tommy Davis, Carney Lansford.

And these stolen base kings: Bert Campaneris, Bill North, Mickey Rivers, Davey Lopes.

And these 20-game winners: Mudcat Grant, Stan Bahnsen, Mike Norris, Ken Holtzman, Ed Figueroa, Luis Tiant, John Tudor.

And these five-time (or more) Gold Glove winners not already listed: Curt Flood, Bill White, Mark Belanger, Paul Blair.

And a whole bunch more multiple All-Stars (and I’m sure this list isn’t complete): Ted Simmons, Felipe Alou, Rusty Staub, Ken Singleton, Willie Davis, Steve Rogers, Bobby Grich, Joe Rudi, Sal Bando, Manny Sanguillen, Willie Randolph, Jim Wynn, Rick Burleson, Frank Tanana,  Jesse Orosco, Ray Knight.

I don’t know if anyone ever played with more good and great players than Torrez.

Starting pitcher, Luis Tiant

El Tiante was my favorite Red Sox player and I was pleased when he joined the Yankees in 1979, even though that was his last good year. Don Zimmer’s decision to start Bobby Sprowl in Game 4 of the “Boston Massacre” series in 1978 stands as one of the dumbest calls in baseball history. Tiant, his toughest pitcher, winner of three post-season games in 1975, wanted the ball on three days’ rest, but Zim went with the rookie, who never won a major league game.

Starting pitcher, Herb Pennock

Pennock was the ace of the Murderers’ Row Yankees of the 1920s. After four solid years pitching for the Red Sox, he was traded to the Yankees and won 20 twice, pitching 11 years in New York and landing in the Hall of Fame. He rejoined the Red Sox at age 40 for his last two wins.

The number of great and good pitchers who have pitched for both of these teams is astounding. I left out Hall of Famers Waite Hoyt and Jack Chesbro, Cy Young winners Bob Turley and David Cone as well as Carl Mays, Wes Ferrell, Bullet Joe Bush and David Wells.

Closer, Sparky Lyle

Maybe the best Yankees-Red Sox trade ever (since the Babe was sold, not traded) was Danny Cater for Sparky Lyle in 1972. Sparky led the league in saves twice, then won the Cy Young Award with a 13-5 record and 26 saves in 1977. That was before the one-inning closer. He pitched 137 innings in a league-leading 72 games that year.

I saw Lyle pitch that year in Game 4 of the American League Championship Series in Royals Stadium. It may have been the best relief outing in post-season history. The Yankees trailed two games to one and needed to win to avoid elimination. Ed Figueroa was staked to a 5-2 lead, but Billy Martin went to the bullpen when he gave up a walk and a double to make it 5-3. Dick Tidrow allowed another run to score, so Martin brought his closer in with two outs in the fourth inning. And Sparky closed: 5 1/3 innings of scoreless two-hit ball to push the series to Game 5. In the post-game press conference, he said he thought his slider maybe got better movement when he was tired.

For good measure, Sparky came in the next evening with two on and two out in the eighth inning and the Yankees trailing 3-2. He got out of the inning. Then the Yankees scored three runs in the ninth. Then Sparky gave up a single in the ninth, but ended the game with a double-play grounder: two wins on 6 2/3 innings on back-to-back nights to send the Yankees to the World Series.

To really pile on, he pitched two nights later, 3 2/3 innings of one-hit ball in Game 1 of the World Series to win in 12 innings. That’s three post-season wins in a row in four days and 10 1/3 innings scoreless innings. Against the other two best teams in baseball.

Mariano Rivera stands unrivaled as the best reliever in post-season history. But I believe Sparky had the best performance of any reliever in a single post-season.

Spot starter/middle reliever, Derek Lowe

Lowe won all three post-season-series-clinching games for the Red Sox in 2004. Enough said about that.

He did a decent job as a reliever for the Yankees this past season.

He ranks behind Dennis Eckersley and John Smoltz among pitchers who starred as both a starter and a reliever. He led the American League in saves with 42 in 2002 and the National League in wins (with just 16) in 2006. Smoltz did the same thing (in fact, they were co-leaders in 2006). Eck was a 20-game winner but never led his league in wins. Wilbur Wood, who twice led the American League in wins with 24 in 1972 and ’73, never led the league in saves, but did have a 20-save season in 1970, when that was a lot. Who else was as good as Lowe at both starting and relieving?

Bench

This team would certainly carry three catchers. You could make a case for Wally Schang, who played almost a century ago, to start, but I liked Howard a lot as a kid, and it’s my team. Mike Stanley, who had two hitches with each team, was better than you may remember: three 20-homer seasons and an All-Star in 1995.

Because you’d certainly pinch-hit for at least one of the middle-infielders, we need a backup there, even though the choices are weak. Spike Owen was a prototypical good-field-go-hit shortstop, hitting .246 for his career with only 46 homers. But his glove was good enough that he played 100 or more games in a season nine times for four different teams, including the Yankees and Red Sox. He actually hit .366 for the Red Sox in the 1986 post-season.
George Scott was a better player than Youk, though his best years were with the Brewers, rather than either of these teams. Boomer had six solid years for the Red Sox before going to Milwaukee, including the 1967 World Series team. He also had a solid 33-homer season in 1977 after returning for Milwaukee. He led the league with 36 homers (he called them “taters”) and 109 RBI for the Brewers in 1975 and won eight Gold Gloves. He finished his career with the Yankees, playing just 16 games and hitting one homer after signing in August 1979.

Rickey Henderson was a greater left-fielder than Damon and had some of his greatest seasons for the Yankees. But his Red Sox stint was less than 72 games when he was trying to hang on at age 43. Damon starts for this team based on being a starter for world championships for both teams, but it would be nice to have a Hall of Famer coming off the bench.

For the last bench spot, I go with Lefty O’Doul over Jose Canseco. Not because he played well for either team. He was a relief pitcher for both, appearing in 34 games and getting a 1-1 record from 1919 to 1923. He returned to the big leagues in 1928 at age 31 as an outfielder and won two National League batting titles. He had a .349 career batting average and might well have been a Hall of Famer if he’d started his career as a position player. Since the second-best-hitting former pitcher fits on this team, I’ll make him the fifth outfielder.

Bullpen

Lee Smith was probably a greater reliever than Lyle (certainly was great for a longer time) and probably belongs in the Hall of Fame. But he saved only three games for the Yankees in a 1993 cameo. He did save 29 and then 25 for Boston in 1988 and ’89. But Sparky had four solid bullpen years for the Red Sox before becoming one of baseball’s best relievers over seven seasons with the Yankees. So Lyle is the closer, but Smith would be a hell of a set-up man.

Smith broke Jeff Reardon‘s all-time saves record, so we’ll put them both on this team. Like Smith, he was a standout closer for the Red Sox but pitched only briefly for the Yankees, getting two saves in his last major-league stop in 1994.

As with the starters, I have lots to choose from in the bullpen. I could go with Mike Stanton to have a true set-up man. Or I could go with Ernie Shore, who was actually a starter but made the best relief appearance ever on June 23, 1917. Shore replaced Ruth after the Babe was ejected for arguing after walking the lead-off batter. That batter was caught stealing and Shore retired the next 26 batters, getting credit for a perfect game, though baseball later dropped him from that list.

But rather than Stanton or Shore, I’ll go with Tom Gordon for the final bullpen spot. Like Lyle, he was a good reliever for both teams, leading the league with 46 saves for the Red Sox in 1998 and pitching 159 games in middle relief for the Yankees in 2004-5, with an ERA under 3.00 both years.

Plus, Gordon played a role in the 2004 Yankees’ meltdown. He pitched scoreless 10th and 11th innings in Game 4, giving the Yankees a chance to close out their sweep. But in Game 5, he opened the 8th inning with a 4-2 lead. All he needed to do was hand the lead to Rivera to close out the game and the series. But he gave up a lead-off homer to David Ortiz, then walked Keith Millar and gave up a single to Trot Nixon, sending pinch-runner Dave Roberts to third. Rivera came in and got the next three batters, but Roberts tied the game on a Jason Varitek sacrifice fly. The Yankees ended up losing in the 15th.

Plus, Gordon’s a nice match for Derek Lowe as an accomplished starter and reliever. I saw him burst onto the scene as a rookie for the Royals in 1988 and win 17 games the next year. But after nine mostly good years as a starter, he became a reliever and pitched a decade more, with 158 career saves.

Ralph Houk is clearly the manager of this team, having managed the Yankees for 11 seasons, including two world championships and a third pennant, and the Red Sox for four seasons.

The general manager would be Bob Watsonwho was past his prime when he played for the Red Sox in 1979 and the Yankees in the early 1980s. But he was GM when the Yankees returned to greatness in 1996, though he left the Yankees after the 1997 season and moved to Major League Baseball’s front office.

 

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12 02 2013
Andy

I dunno, seems to me you’re being too hard on Youk. I dislike the Boston sports deity complex as much as anyone, but Youkilis had an excellent six year stretch, including four years (07-11) where he was among the best hitters in the game.

RBI totals are a poor metric for judging a hitter’s prowess, too dependent on situation and opportunity (read teammates). His slugging percentages during his seasons in Boston are quite good, even cracking the top ten a couple of times, often ahead of guys with higher RBI totals. Additionally, despite having the build of a power hitter, his most valuable asset was simply his ability to get on base.

From 2006-2011, his lowest OBP was .373, and it twice topped .400, and twice hit on .390 exactly. Youkilis’s proclivity in this area was one of the reasons the Red Sox line-up was so dangerous during the years you sight.

Additionally, the Trot Nixon comparison doesn’t quite tell the whole story. Some of Nixon’s best seasons came in a much higher offensive era, so the baseline is slightly different. It also doesn’t take into account defense, and Youkilis was a better defender at more difficult position. WAR is far from a perfect stat, but it’s the best at giving a statistical measurement of a player’s complete contributions. Youkilis’s peak five or six peak WAR seasons are consistently 1.5-2 wins better than Nixon’s.

You’re definitely right about a drop-off for Youk post 30, largely due to an inability to stay healthy. Some of that I’d pin on the Red Sox unwisely shifting him back to third base to make room for Adrian Gonzalez. Much of that is on Youkilis though, as staying healthy is a skill, and it’s a big knock to only be a 1B/DH at age 33. Perhaps the Yankees training staff will have better luck with him at third.

As a Pittsburgh native, I feel uniquely qualified to chime in on one more thing: Pirates fans despised Barry Bonds before it was cool. He pouted and ripped management during his final years with the team, the left town for a massive payday in San Francisco. The development of sports economics would probably make the latter part easier to swallow today, but it was seen as more of an act of betrayal in 1992. Furthermore, his postseason struggles for three very good Pirates teams that could never make it to the World Series were legendary, culminating with his inability to throw out a feeble Sid Bream to end Game 7 of the ’92 NLCS. I actually have slightly more complex emotions about him, as I feel pretty lucky to have witnessed such an otherworldly talent up close when I was just getting into the sport.

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12 02 2013
hatedyankees

Excellent points on both Youk and Bonds. I just wondered if any nostalgia would have helped Bonds in Pittsburgh. As for Youk, I think his RBI stats (and other hitting stats) were inflated by both being part of such a great lineup and by hitting in one of the most hitter-friendly parks in baseball (the most friendly, I think). But he had some good years for the Red Sox, no question. You made the case for him well.

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